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This lock originally had 4 gates at each end, so that it could go up or down:
The sockets for attaching another gate can still be seen in front of the ladder hoops. It links the Droitwich Barge Canal to the the canalized River Salwarpe, which could at times be higher or lower than the level in the Barge Canal.
Martin.
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James,
Good to see this proposal taking shape.
If nothing else, it should give Me Tatlow something to think about when he is checking it fits inside the size parameters! I’m sure with his years of professional experience he’ll be able to measure it ok!!
Jeremy
Good to see this proposal taking shape.
If nothing else, it should give Me Tatlow something to think about when he is checking it fits inside the size parameters! I’m sure with his years of professional experience he’ll be able to measure it ok!!
Jeremy
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The baseboard plan calculates out at 18.74 sq.ft. although there will be a small non-scenic area of just less than 1 sq.ft.
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Don’t make it too easy for Mr T to check…
I really like the concept and plan - it was always one of my favourites from that one of Mr Rice’s treatise on layout design. Your changes should make it an attractive model.
Good luck.
Jeremy
I really like the concept and plan - it was always one of my favourites from that one of Mr Rice’s treatise on layout design. Your changes should make it an attractive model.
Good luck.
Jeremy
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Martin Wynne wrote:.
This lock originally had 4 gates at each end, so that it could go up or down:
The sockets for attaching another gate can still be seen in front of the ladder hoops. It links the Droitwich Barge Canal to the the canalized River Salwarpe, which could at times be higher or lower than the level in the Barge Canal.
Martin.
The slots aren't for a second set of gates, they're for stop planks used to retain the water in the upper section of canal, whilst the lock is being repaired. Also necessary if the canal is breached below the lock for the same reason.
Mike
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MikeAllerton wrote:The slots aren't for a second set of gates, they're for stop planks used to retain the water in the upper section of canal, whilst the lock is being repaired. Also necessary if the canal is breached below the lock for the same reason.
Hi Mike,
I didn't mention the slots. I was referring to the hinge sockets for the second set of gates, which you can see painted white next to the ladder hoop.
Here is the 1901 25" map, showing all four sets of gates, and the swing bridge across the lock (behind the camera):
cheers,
Martin.
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My mistake, apologies Martin
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If you do opt for the "green diesel" era, consider modelling the canal as disused. Disused canals are rarely featured on model railway layouts - although Pendon has one (a historically correct feature of The Vale) - but can actually be a far more attractive scenic feature than one that is still in use.
Although this website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/restoration.htm is principally about the restoration of various Pennine canals it does include some atmospheric "before" shots (look at the Huddersfield Narrow Canal for example) which might provide much inspiration.
Although this website http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/restoration.htm is principally about the restoration of various Pennine canals it does include some atmospheric "before" shots (look at the Huddersfield Narrow Canal for example) which might provide much inspiration.
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So after some months of going back and forth with my design intentions, I have now settled on the final track plan, (I think).
I thought it also time to update what has been going on.
As a reminder, this project started as an interpretation Iain Rice's Navigation Sidings, but has I'm afraid morphed somewhat. However, it has now settled upon what I think might make for a more interesting layout operation-wise. Not everyone's cup of tea perhaps, but what is?
Before I show the revised plan, I will first clarify the question of era and location. This will still be set in the West Yorkshire area, as a fictitious addition to the Midland's proposed West Riding extension between Dewsbury and Bradford. I had toyed between steam and green diesel as the era, but this has now been settled upon as Johnson era steam. I couldn't resist the offer from an area group colleague Greg, who offered to help out with some rolling stock and loco's. Greg is a steam man, and I think like me not a huge fan of post Johnson Midland locos. This settles the operational era debate, Midland pre-1907!
So here's the plan from Templot, I'll update this with all the scenic stuff in time:
Given that there will be Johnson loco's, it seemed a shame not to have a passenger service, so there will be a platform between the the top-most tracks of the plan, the bay platform allowing for another company's stock to work the station. This was Greg's idea, and a good one in that it will allow for some operational variety. Space is obviously at a premium given the challenge rules, so the platform and run around roads are connected via the turntable. I struggled to find an appropriate Midland prototype for this, so have based the concept upon the LNWR station at Harbourne.
Image copyright CJ Williams and http://www.disused-stations.org.uk, used with permission
The remaining tracks connected to the 'main line' serve a basic wagon sorting purpose.
The lower line shown on the plan, is at a lower level and will arrive from a local limestone quarry (off-scene). At the far right-hand side of the layout a wagon lift will exchange full and empty wagons between the levels. This should allow a wide variety of goods to be moved in and out of the location.
The area just below the tracks as we look at the plan will be the canal basin.
Here's another view, showing the extent of the baseboards. The fiddle yard will be on the left.
Clearly, the thinking has moved on somewhat from the original plan. I think therefore I ought to change the name, Navigation Basin seems perhaps appropriate. The changes also mean that I need to name the station...suggestions on a post card please.
Now then, one of my reasons for entering the challenge was to experiment with Martin's excellent Plug Track in a meaningful way.
And here's the progress:
All of the track panels for the upper level with the exception of the double-slip are now complete, and most have been stained and chaired.
I've laser cut some cardboard mock-ups for the baseboards using some old boxes:
And tested that the track panels actually fit...
I'm really pleased with the Plug Track chairs. I've chosen to use the loose outer jaw option, and I'll fit the rail once the timbering bases have been fitted to the baseboards.
Yes, I know these are REA chairs and not suitable for a Midland line c.1900. I could of course create my own Midland chairs and plug them in, but that would defeat the object of showing what can be done with Templot alone. Should Martin ever create Midland chairs, I could very simply pop these chairs out and swap them over. But, given that this is all a figment of imagination, does it really matter?
I of course know the answer to this question, but I suspect that the chairs will be the least of my crimes to prototype practice.
Finally, I wanted a nod to Martin's 85A domain, and have selected Evesham station building as a suitable prototype for my own. I'm yet to decide upon brick or stone for it, hopefully the end result wont offend too much.
Further updates to follow sporadically as progress is made.
I thought it also time to update what has been going on.
As a reminder, this project started as an interpretation Iain Rice's Navigation Sidings, but has I'm afraid morphed somewhat. However, it has now settled upon what I think might make for a more interesting layout operation-wise. Not everyone's cup of tea perhaps, but what is?
Before I show the revised plan, I will first clarify the question of era and location. This will still be set in the West Yorkshire area, as a fictitious addition to the Midland's proposed West Riding extension between Dewsbury and Bradford. I had toyed between steam and green diesel as the era, but this has now been settled upon as Johnson era steam. I couldn't resist the offer from an area group colleague Greg, who offered to help out with some rolling stock and loco's. Greg is a steam man, and I think like me not a huge fan of post Johnson Midland locos. This settles the operational era debate, Midland pre-1907!
So here's the plan from Templot, I'll update this with all the scenic stuff in time:
Given that there will be Johnson loco's, it seemed a shame not to have a passenger service, so there will be a platform between the the top-most tracks of the plan, the bay platform allowing for another company's stock to work the station. This was Greg's idea, and a good one in that it will allow for some operational variety. Space is obviously at a premium given the challenge rules, so the platform and run around roads are connected via the turntable. I struggled to find an appropriate Midland prototype for this, so have based the concept upon the LNWR station at Harbourne.
Image copyright CJ Williams and http://www.disused-stations.org.uk, used with permission
The remaining tracks connected to the 'main line' serve a basic wagon sorting purpose.
The lower line shown on the plan, is at a lower level and will arrive from a local limestone quarry (off-scene). At the far right-hand side of the layout a wagon lift will exchange full and empty wagons between the levels. This should allow a wide variety of goods to be moved in and out of the location.
The area just below the tracks as we look at the plan will be the canal basin.
Here's another view, showing the extent of the baseboards. The fiddle yard will be on the left.
Clearly, the thinking has moved on somewhat from the original plan. I think therefore I ought to change the name, Navigation Basin seems perhaps appropriate. The changes also mean that I need to name the station...suggestions on a post card please.
Now then, one of my reasons for entering the challenge was to experiment with Martin's excellent Plug Track in a meaningful way.
And here's the progress:
All of the track panels for the upper level with the exception of the double-slip are now complete, and most have been stained and chaired.
I've laser cut some cardboard mock-ups for the baseboards using some old boxes:
And tested that the track panels actually fit...
I'm really pleased with the Plug Track chairs. I've chosen to use the loose outer jaw option, and I'll fit the rail once the timbering bases have been fitted to the baseboards.
Yes, I know these are REA chairs and not suitable for a Midland line c.1900. I could of course create my own Midland chairs and plug them in, but that would defeat the object of showing what can be done with Templot alone. Should Martin ever create Midland chairs, I could very simply pop these chairs out and swap them over. But, given that this is all a figment of imagination, does it really matter?
I of course know the answer to this question, but I suspect that the chairs will be the least of my crimes to prototype practice.
Finally, I wanted a nod to Martin's 85A domain, and have selected Evesham station building as a suitable prototype for my own. I'm yet to decide upon brick or stone for it, hopefully the end result wont offend too much.
Further updates to follow sporadically as progress is made.
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Have you tried operating your layout on paper or in your mind?
Train arrives from off scene, drops the guards van off, then the wagons.
How does the guards van and various wagons end up at the opposite end of the loco ready to depart?
Gordon A
Train arrives from off scene, drops the guards van off, then the wagons.
How does the guards van and various wagons end up at the opposite end of the loco ready to depart?
Gordon A
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Hi Gordon,
A good question.
This is what I had in mind. Am I missing something?
Apologies for the rather basic drawing, it's a lot better than the scraps of paper on my workbench though.
A good question.
This is what I had in mind. Am I missing something?
Apologies for the rather basic drawing, it's a lot better than the scraps of paper on my workbench though.
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